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REDRUM true crime

The Boy Who Smiled While He Killed

REDRUM true crime

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History, True Crime

4.6533 Ratings

🗓️ 22 September 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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0:00.0

Surveillance footage shows a teenager walking into a store with a ski mask on.

0:06.0

He walks right up to the counter and the person working there hands him over every single

0:11.2

bit of money that he wants. He could have just walked away, but instead he raises the gun,

0:17.4

smiles and fires. This is Red Rum, stories about the true victims of crime. I upload on

0:24.2

Mondays and Thursdays, so make sure you're subscribed so you never miss an episode.

0:30.3

Michael Swanson showed signs that he was different from early on. His mother Kathy had already

0:36.7

had two children and they acted very

0:39.2

differently to Michael. He liked to push people's buttons. He liked to cause disruption. And when he was

0:45.7

just a young child, he would run around his daycare, disturbing the other kids who were already

0:51.5

asleep in their nap time. he would make sure they were all

0:54.8

awake and it was only then that he would go to his napping place and sleep soundly.

1:01.9

And Michael's mum, Cathy, speaks a lot about how from early on, she just knew that Michael

1:07.3

was different, that he liked to push people's buttons, and his main goal

1:11.4

was disruption. She knew that she had to be on high alert at all times around him. Now, eventually,

1:17.9

Kathy ended up having to travel for work. This was quite new for her, and Michael really struggled

1:23.6

with it. He told her he did not want her to go. He did not want her to be away from him.

1:27.7

But even so, Kathy had to work. She needed the income. And so she would go off and travel

1:33.0

as part of her work commitments. And one time, while she was there, her phone rang. She answered the

1:39.5

phone and it was her husband Bob back at home. He said that Michael had gotten into some kind of incident.

1:46.1

Now, he didn't have all of the details. He said that was because Michael wasn't massively

1:51.0

clear in what had happened. But the basic facts were that Michael had come home, he'd gotten a

1:57.1

bloody nose, and he told his dad that basically someone, a little kid,

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