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Rational Security

The “Botanical Bros” Edition

Rational Security

The Lawfare Institute

Foreignpolicy, Nationalsecurity, News, Government, Politics, Middleeast

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 12 March 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott sat down with Lawfare Senior Editor and co-host emeritus Alan Rozenshtein and Lawfare Executive Editor Natalie Orpett to talk through the week’s big national security news, including:

  • “Lowering the Bar.” Last week, the Trump administration took aim at two leading law firms—Covington & Burling and Perkins Coie—by repealing lawyers’ security clearances and setting limits on the extent to which government actors can contract with them, on the apparent grounds that they worked for Trump’s perceived enemies. Is this legal? Will it be challenged? And what will the effect be on the legal industry?
  • “Big Math on Campus.” The Trump administration recently announced its intent to withhold $400 million in government grants from Columbia University, on the grounds that it had not done enough to combat anti-semitism on campus—a measure it paired with an indication that it would repeal student visas from those who had expressed “pro-Hamas” views. Is this tack a proper or legally sustainable one? And what impact will it have on academic communities in the United States?
  • “Nothing Is Certain but Death and Ta…Well, at Least Death.” After temporarily delaying tariffs on Canada and Mexico after 48 hours last month, President Trump assured everyone that they were definitely getting installed this month. But once again, after a few days, he rescinded many of them. Nonetheless, the uncertainty surrounding this administration’s policies has markets spooked, triggering fears of a recession—something President Trump has indicated people may just have to live through. What are the real costs and benefits of Trump’s oscillating trade policies?

In object lessons, Alan went full nerd and prescribed himself a decade-long literary exile with “Gardens of the Moon,” the first in Steven Erikson’s ten-book epic. Scott’s old ass, meanwhile, threw its weight behind “My Old Ass,” a film about a young woman navigating family, love, and self-discovery—all with a little hallucinogenic assistance. And Natalie logrolled like a pro, plugging Quinta Jurecic’s guest spot on The Ezra Klein Show, where Quinta delivers one of Natalie’s all-time favorite “Quintaisms”—with all the necessary context baked right in.

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0:00.0

Okay, guys, I have a challenge for you.

0:03.4

Can we make this be roll about things other than the weather and our children?

0:09.4

No.

0:10.2

No, not a chance.

0:11.3

Can it be about other places weather?

0:14.2

Because I was in Tucson last week.

0:16.0

And I got to say, Tucson is rad.

0:18.0

No.

0:18.5

Especially when you're flying out of Minnesota.

0:20.5

Fine. You're all lame. They have Especially when you're flying out of Minnesota. Fine.

0:21.0

You're all lame.

0:21.7

They have 40-foot cactuses in Tucson.

0:25.2

No.

0:25.8

So, yes.

0:26.4

That seems implausal.

0:27.1

No, I know.

0:28.8

They're called Sawaras, and they're these like, like, they kind of look like, like,

0:33.3

stick figure cactus with these kind of arms and stuff.

0:35.7

Are they like the redwoods? Do we have to carve highways through them?

0:38.5

They're not quite that big, but they are so large.

0:42.8

And like, it's like a Dr. Seuss fever dream.

0:45.0

It's amazing.

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