The Book Club: The Rise of the Mafia and the Struggle for Italy’s Soul
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🗓️ 5 February 2026
⏱️ 40 minutes
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| 0:34.3 | Hello and welcome to the Spectator's Book Club podcast. I'm Sam Leith, the literary editor of The Spectator, and I'm joined this week by the distinguished historian Caroline Moorhead, whose new book is a Sicilian man, Leonardo Shasha, the rise of the mafia and the struggle for Italy's soul. |
| 0:54.4 | Caroline, welcome. |
| 0:57.0 | I suppose I want to start by asking you about the title, |
| 1:00.8 | because it seems his Sicilianness seems to be extremely important |
| 1:06.7 | to your understanding of Shasha. |
| 1:09.5 | Why so? |
| 1:10.5 | The title was changed a few times because originally I wanted to call it of Shasha. Why so? The title was changed a few times |
| 1:12.3 | because originally I wanted to call it a man alone |
| 1:15.1 | because Shasha had a sort of thing about men alone, |
| 1:18.3 | men who defied authority and corruption on the mafia. |
| 1:22.1 | But my publishers are very keen on using a word Sicilian, |
| 1:25.5 | thinking it was more of a turn on, more interesting. |
| 1:28.9 | And actually, I think they're probably right. I mean, there is something still really interesting |
| 1:32.8 | about Sicily. |
| 1:34.6 | Josh himself, I mean, he is for those of our readers who aren't familiar with his work, he was born in, was it, |
| 1:41.1 | 1929? |
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