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Hello and welcome to Spectator's Book Club podcast.

My name is Sam Leith,

I'm the literary editor of The Spectator.

This week I'm very

pleased to be joined by Rachel Clark, who's a palliative care doctor and author, whose new book,

a Bailey Gifford, long-listed book, I should say, is the story of a heart. Rachel, at the,

I don't want to say heart, at the center of this book is a true human story of one heart donor

and one, the recipient of a donated heart. How did you kind of how did you get that story?

Because you managed to go so deeply and closely into the story. And it's not one that,

you know, it was in the news to start with.

It was a big deal.

And I'm wondering how you, you have everybody got in to be able to tell the story in the way you were.

Well, it's incredibly unusual for the family of an organ donor to ever meet the recipient family, particularly in the UK.

So the NHS keeps those families apart very deliberately because there were all kinds of

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