This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones.

Music Hey, Kate, how are you?

I'm well, Paul.

How about you?

Any help updates? We talk about that. We both feel old sometimes,

so we talk about, we've talked about your hip. We've talked about my shoulder and my ankle and all kinds of stuff.

What about you? Anything new?

Yeah, you know, on the medical side, I went in for just the routine mole check, you know, with the dermatologist.

And, you know, I was horrible throughout the course of my life, never wore sunscreen.

I lifeguarded, you know, I'd be out in the yard all day in, you know, Central Valley, California,

just being cooked by the sun without sunscreen and just

constantly getting burned. And I know something's probably going to pop up at some point. So I

did go in and they found a spot on the back of my right hand, you know, and they cut it out. And it turns

out it's completely benign. Fortunately, they just, you know, the pathology lab came back and said it's

some sort of carotosis, you know, but it's just something that, you know, people need to pay

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