This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones.

Music Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate. How are you?

I'm doing well.

You know, we've been answering listener and viewers' questions, which I love.

They always have the most creative questions for us.

And they have a good one today.

You ready to hear it?

Sure.

It's not going to make you squirmmer. It's not actually a good question.

And I don't know if I know the answers to this or not, but we'll see.

Okay.

So someone wants to know what is our favorite takeout food or snacks?

Pause, Paul, unhealthy.

So the person says nobody wants to know about celery, which she's talking

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