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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

The Bitter End to democracy? Hindsight is 20/20.

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Politics, Government

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 September 2022

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

UCLA political scientists Lynn Vavreck and Chris Tausanovitch and Vanderbilt’s John Sides argue that political party identity has become increasingly “calcified” in surprising new ways. Their latest book,“The Bitter End,” describes both the long-term trends and short-term shocks that shaped the 2020 presidential election and continue reverberating today.  What’s driving the increasing distance between the parties and the growing homogeneity within the parties?  Playbook Co-Author Ryan Lizza met Vavreck on UCLA’s campus to learn why so-called “identity-inflected issues” are the great new dimension of political conflict and present a dangerous direction in America.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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There are a lot of great books about presidential campaigns.

0:05.0

Teddy White's famous four book series from 1960 to 1972,

0:10.0

and Richard Ben Kramer's singular account of the 1988 campaign

0:14.0

are still touchstones for many political reporters today.

0:18.0

The Bill Clinton and George W. Bush errors produced fewer big hits,

0:23.0

but the genre roared back in the Obama and Trump years.

0:27.0

There are too many great ones about 2016 and 2020 to even mention.

0:32.0

But since 2012, the one post-election book that I look forward to reading every cycle

0:37.0

is not by my colleagues in the political press corps, sorry.

0:40.0

It's by two academics in political science departments.

0:44.0

Lynn Vavric of UCLA and John Sides of Vanderbilt University

0:48.0

are about to publish their latest book in their presidential campaign series.

0:53.0

The bitter end, a political science interpretation of the 2020 presidential campaign,

0:58.0

which is out on September 20th.

1:01.0

They are joined this time by a third co-author, Chris Tessanovic.

1:04.0

This is the book you want to read if you want to understand what they describe

1:08.0

as both the long-term trends and the short-term shocks that shaped 2020

1:13.0

and continue to reverberate today.

1:17.0

I'm Ryan Liza, this is Playbook Deep Dive.

1:21.0

Everyone thinks it's polarization.

1:26.0

It is not polarization.

1:28.0

I think of it as sort of polarization plus.

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