When people hear about Chief because it's such a mission-oriented business,

that's what they think of. They're like, oh, it seems like such a good business,

but great mission. And I don't think that people realize that it's both a great mission and a great business.

I feel like I can rule the world, I know I can be what I want to.

I put my all in it like no days on.

The reason why we ask you to come on is because Chief is awesome. And we love community-based businesses.

And most community-based businesses have horrible business models.

And from the outside, it appears that you have from the press and whatever I can just read about on the internet,

it seems like you've got a really good business model. And that's what I wanted to talk to you about today.

It was that business model because we've talked a lot about Tiger 21 and YPO is kind of interesting,

but you guys are like the next kind of person attempting this and it seems like it's working really well.

That's what I wanted to ask about.

Yeah, awesome. Well, congratulations on the podcast and was excited to come on and chat,

because there's been a lot happening for us at the beginning of this year.

Yeah. And before this, where were you, Casper?

No, that was my co-founder. So we both have been in kind of the New York City ecosystem for a while.

I actually, I started the startup scene at a launch at launchdenrandsoup.com.

Under Mark Lore, Quidzie got acquired by Amazon.

Then went over to South Korea and worked on Kupong, which is the Amazon of South Korea.

And then most recently, right before chief, I was at handy running operations for them.

And my co-founder was at Casper. So yeah.

And when did you decide when do you go all in full time on chief?

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