Hey everybody it's Joe Trippy and welcome back to that Trippy show.

This week we've got a ton more questions about

Moore versus Harper and wanted to dive deeper into it so we brought in an expert.

About this time last year we had Rick Hasen, author and law professor at

UCLA on, we talked about his book Cheap Speech and Election Integrity. Since

then we've quoted him a ton. His essay, Trump is plotting a much more respectable

coup next time, is still scarily accurate, maybe even more so now after the last few weeks and months. We thought

we'd have Rick back on talk about what it means and what's next. Rick, welcome

back. It's great to be back with you.

Alex, what do you have first?

Where do you want to get started?

Well, you know, we mentioned in Pre-Show Rick we've been quoting you a while and the one we keep quoting is I just want to

remind our listeners what you said and this was almost two years I think this was from August

2021 so this is two years ago the potential coup next time will come in neatly filed legal briefs and arguments

quoting Thomas Jefferson and wrapped in ancient precedents and purported

constitutional textualism. It will be no less pernicious. And Rick, I thought that was a great place to start just given your recent piece in slate, which we'll link to in the show notes. But I'll tell you right now if you're listening to this expecting

us to cheer lead this decision and say everything is right with the world, you may want to change the

channel.

Well, I mean the first thing I'd say is that the worst case scenario was avoided in this case.

It is a partial victory that the crazy was rejected.

The kind of theory that John Eastman and Clayda Mitchell and these other

Trump lawyers were putting out that state legislatures have this kind of free-floating power to throw out votes from voters who voted for president

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