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You know, you're bringing down acting to a level of playing soccer.

I'm Sean Fantasy editor and chief of the ringer and this is the big picture.

Ruben Ostland is messing with you, provoking you, needling you.

In his movies, specifically 2014's Force Measure and this falls the square.

The Swedish writer director takes him at big ideas, masculinity, viral internet culture,

the modern art world, marriage, and he completely upends them with his satire.

His movies and their characters are unafraid to get strange and go to strange places.

They cry, they fight, they act like apes.

Ostland is a character too.

I chatted with him this week about his career in his movies, particularly the square,

which zeroes in on the absurd happenings around an exhibit in a Swedish art museum.

Without further ado, here's Ruben Ostland.

Very happy to be joined by Ruben Ostland. Ruben, thank you for being here today.

Thank you for having me.

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