The Bible repeatedly used the metaphor of marriage to illustrate the relationship

between Christ and his church. But how does that metaphor actually speak to the subject of

same sex marriage? Does the use of that metaphor render same-sex

marriage impossible to harmonize with the Bible? Can transgender people fulfill the

model of marriage laid out in Ephesians 5? We'll answer these questions and

more as we discuss this with our guest

Rachel Gilson, author of the best-selling book Born Again This Way. I'm your host Scott Ray and this is Think

Biblical Lee from tablet school theology here at

Biola University. Rachel, thanks so much for being with us, delighted to have you

with us here. Yeah, it's my joy to be with you. Well tell our listeners a little

bit about your background, how that impacts your interest in the

subject of same-sex marriage. We've had you on before, but some of our

listeners may not be familiar with the conversation we've had with you in the past.

That's right. Well I came to Christ during my

freshman year at Yale out of a background of committed atheism and also same-sex

relationships and so it was a survival question for me at first as I was figuring

out discipleship like, well gosh, the gospel is really good, but I'm still

attracted to women and as far as I can see in scripture, God is saying I shouldn't pursue same sex relationships.

How in the world am I supposed to navigate that?

So, I mean, the first several years through a lot of mistakes and

stumblings I was like okay I'm figuring out I'm figuring this out and in my

work as a campus minister with crew, I also recognized over time, well gosh, there

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