What's going on everyone welcome back to the epic gardening podcast. We have Nikki

Jaboor on again the award winning author of three best selling books. I'm going to name

them one more time and I highly recommend you buy every single one of these right now.

The year round vegetable gardener ground breaking food gardens and veggie garden remix.

Everything else will be in the podcast description because Nikki's up to a lot both on the internet

and in traditional media with the radio show. But yesterday we talked about some of her

favorite winter gardening structures cold frames many hoop tunnels poly tunnels deep mulching

techniques and Nikki you touched a little bit on some of the vegetables both the type

in general and then some of the specific varieties that you liked. I thought maybe we

could dive a little deeper for someone who's getting into winter gardening and they really

want to pick the right veggies and the right varieties. Maybe you could drop some knowledge

in some of your favorites. Oh for sure my gosh yeah and it changes for me every year because

when the seed catalogs come and I know Kevin you feel this too you're circling everything

you want to grow which is probably ten times more than you have space for. And for me I'm

always looking for buzzwords when I'm going through the seed catalog. Something that's winter

hearty something that's called tolerance. Something that's frost hearty so I'm looking

for different types of kale that are more frost hearty. Like for example I do have dinosaur

kale in my garden it's my favorite it's so beautiful it's so delicious and tender but

it's not the most frost tolerance kale you know that would be something more like winter

bore or red bore or some of the more winter Russian lettuces that really go the distance.

So you know I do grow lots of different kinds of kale and I know I'll have dinosaur kale

probably in the late December but after that it's the really cold tolerant ones that pick

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