We have a tendency to notice when things go wrong and to notice when there is a problem because

that's how we've evolved.

We needed that sensitivity to danger and dysfunction to thrive.

But I think that we really need to override that assumption that's the thing that's primary.

So what is primary is cooperation. We

practice it all the time. Our bodies are our models of cooperation with all these different

cells and organs and the bacteria and the yeast and the fungi and the protozoa and all these things that live in us and on us

working together. So that being said, I think that in every situation we need to figure out

how to develop cooperative structures to try to move forward.

Welcome to Care More Be Better, a podcast for people like you who care about the social

impact of conscious companies and everyday heroes.

Hear inspiring stories from those who put people in planet before profit and personal gain.

You'll learn how you can make a difference, vote with your dollars,

and get involved today. Here's your host, Karina Belizei. Welcome back to Care More Be Better. Today,

I'm delighted to welcome Kristen Olson to the show. Her work has long inspired me, and I couldn't

be more thrilled to share this conversation with you.

Kristen Olson is a writer whose work uncovers hidden threats of cooperation, resilience, and generosity in both human and ecological systems.

She is the author of The Soil Will Save Us, and most recently, Sweet and Tooth and Claw, stories of generosity and cooperation in the

natural world.

Her writing has appeared in the New York Times, Smithsonian, Discover, and more.

In Sweet and Tooth and Claw, Kristen flips the traditional Darwinian narrative of Red and

Toothin Claw to reveal how life thrives, not just through competition, but through

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