Hey, everybody. Before we begin our show today, I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge the very

painful, tragic, and sad last week that our nation has been going through. Of course, I'm

talking about the heinous murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis. So in that light and as an

opportunity to reflect on the meaning of his death, I'd like to begin today's show with a moment of silence for George Floyd.

Thank you. Let's start the show.

Thank you. Let's start the show. Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. the show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask

them to go deep, on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran still recording demos on blank cassettes on your

Panasonic boom box, or else a scrappy upstart, attempting to record an entire multi-tracked

album into your voice memos app.

This is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most.

An ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey guys, it's the last Friday of June... No, it's the first Friday of June 2020. And I thank you for

joining us. This week's show is brought to you by Ban Zougal, built by musicians and four musicians.

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