The Atheist Experience 28.17 with Secular Rarity and Armin Navabi
The Atheist Experience
The Atheist Community of Austin
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🗓️ 28 April 2024
⏱️ 127 minutes
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Summary
Christopher in CA had an experience with a storage room where he saw the face of god that stopped him from being an atheist. He now believes in god. Why does this experience lead you to accepting the god claim, and why is it your specific god? How do you know the face you saw was god? How do you know there are no other possibilities than god for seeing this?
Apothatic in TN proposes some premises for the existence of god. One premise is that god is the foundation for knowledge and we don’t have knowledge without god. This is pre-assuming a conclusion to an argument and does nothing to prove anything. Once you show us there is a god, you can then show us what that god is necessary for. How do we know that your argument for god is sound? Without any form of observer, we would not have knowledge. It would be fun to dig into whether or not we have knowledge at all.
Kristian in Denmark has a son that converted from Christianity to Islam. He asks Armin what to expect and for some pointers. Start with exploring what your current relationship is with your son and how to maintain that relationship. What is your goal if he stays Muslim? Is your priority to keep him in the family, or to challenge his beliefs? Encourage him to question his beliefs without pushing him away from you by showing curiosity about his new religion, not concern.
John in CA has mathematical evidence to prove that Jesus is food. A thought experiment involving a perfectly fuel efficient device with a projectile was used as this evidence. What does all this have to do with god? If you want to be an effective troll, you can’t make it this obvious.
Jiub in WA kicks the presumptive can down the road with another spin on “knowledge, therefore god”. The issue is still that god must be demonstrated to be a necessary precondition. There is no way to criticize an argument that has not been made. How have you shown that god is a necessary precondition for knowledge?
Dave in CA says that it is dogmatic to claim there is no life after death. The confidence of a claim needs to be proportioned to the available evidence. We are on the same page with the caller here, however, the harm associated with believing there is life after death belief is what is irresponsible about this belief.
Patrick in London discusses game theory, quantum computing and evolution that includes the proof of god as cubits being entangled. How does quantum computing apply to evolution? Quantum physics is not required to explain evolution.
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| 0:00.0 | So I had a pretty weird dream last night and in fact I had a series of pretty weird dreams last night. |
| 0:08.6 | This morning in fact I still had a surge of emotions. |
| 0:12.8 | In my dream, I was running around a house that I definitely don't live in, |
| 0:17.6 | looking for keys to a car that I don't own, |
| 0:20.6 | so that I could go to an appointment that honestly I wasn't even sure what it was for in the dream. |
| 0:28.0 | And when I finally woke up, I felt almost out of breath. |
| 0:32.0 | It's amazing that dreams can have such a powerful physiological impact on us and immerse us so |
| 0:39.5 | thoroughly in the narrative that sometimes we question whether or not it's an actual memory. |
| 0:45.7 | The brain has this fantastic ability to generate pictures, characters, and scenery, |
| 0:51.7 | all while we seemingly are at our most inactive. |
| 0:55.0 | And so it's no wonder to me that people completely ignorant of this |
| 1:05.0 | would you know say something like this so turn in your Bibles to numbers 12 verse six it says listen to my |
| 1:09.6 | words when there is a prophet among you, I the Lord reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams. |
| 1:20.0 | It makes sense to me that people would assume these dreams are really just messages from an external source. |
| 1:25.7 | And this is a common theme of religious claims in general. |
| 1:29.2 | They are oftentimes a first shot at explaining these incredible experiences that we have every day, and only |
| 1:36.6 | with questioning and rigorous investigation do we really start to understand what explains them. |
| 1:43.2 | Science is the best tool we have for this. |
| 1:45.2 | And if you think your religion provides better evidence |
| 1:47.4 | for the world around us, pick up the phone and call |
| 1:50.0 | because the show's starting right now. All right, all right, it is so good to be here. |
| 1:59.0 | Welcome everyone. |
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