Hey, welcome to this week's episode of Everything Else, the culture podcast from The Financial Times.

I'm John and I'm with Griselda, and we're both culture editors at FT Weekend.

Following the downfall of arch provocateur Milo Yanopoulos, this week will be discussing the

dark world of online trolls.

Had they finally usurp the internet? And what can we do to get it back?

And later on, we're here from one of the rising stars of the fashion world, Molly Goddard.

She came into the studio, fresh from London Fashion Week, to talk about her show at Tate Modern,

where she transformed the runway into a dinner party featuring

baguettes and butter and red wine.

I like to think myself as a virtuous troll, you know, I'm doing God's work.

This idea that celebrities are these fragile wallflowers, give me a break.

I'm sorry for being popular, but I am not responsible for what 350,000 people on the internet

say.

So everyone who's been reading the internet in the past week will know about Milo Unopoulos

and his great fall from Grace.

He's the king of online trolls, but he's recently lost a book deal, a very lucrative book deal from Simon & Schuster.

He's also had to resign as an editor at Bright Bart News.

And of course, the reason for this were his comments about paedophilia from an old podcast, which have resurfaced.

Everyone's pretty fed up with his far-right racist, misogynistic views. But there are also good trolls. There can be funny trolls. A lot of comments online under articles. A lot of Twitter comments, Facebook comments, Instagram comments are brilliant. So today we're going to kind of think about the limits of acceptability online, whether we've gone too far down the kind of troll route. And whether it's a kind of place where satire and comedy exists as well. It's a way that kind of journalists are held to account. People are sort of poked fun at, and it can be quite a useful tool, as well as a hateful one. So our guests this week are Isabella Kaminska, our colleague at the FT, and she works for Alphaville, which is the FT's finance blog.

And also with us is Nimrod Kama, who Vice magazine call their expert resident troll,

but he'd probably prefer to be known as a satirist.

Izzy and Nimrod, thanks very much for joining us.

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