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You're listening to Insights at the Edge.

Today I speak with Father Richard Roar.

I wasn't quite sure what to call, Father Roar, but he said, please just call me Richard.

Richard is a Franciscan priest and prolific author.

SoundsTrue recently released a six-part audio learning series with Richard, entitled,

the art of letting go, the wisdom of Saint Francis, in which Richard explores the life and teachings

of this beloved figure, and offers ways we can incorporate his wisdom in our lives.

In this Insights at the Edge episode, Richard and I spoke about the relevance of Saint Francis in today's world.

What he calls a spirituality of subtraction.

Jesus' teachings on non-duality and what is genuine contemplation.

Here's my conversation with Father Richard Roar.

Richard, to begin with, I'd love to meet you the person when you were a teenager

and you were somehow drawn to join the Franciscan Order.

What was happening inside of you and what forces were happening in your life that such an event would happen?

Wow, let's see if I can go back there.

I'm 66 now, so that's some years ago.

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