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Sounds True.com, guest is Barbara Brown Taylor.

Barbara is a New York Times best-selling author, professor, and Episcopal Priest.

Her first memoir Leaving Leaving Church, won a 2006 author of the year award from the Georgia Writers Association.

Her latest book, Learning to Walk in the Dark, was featured in Time magazine. She has served on the

faculty of Piedmont College since 1998 as the Buteman Professor of Religion

Philosophy and has been a guest lecturer at Emory, Duke, Princeton, and Yale.

In this episode of Insight's The Edge, Barbara and I spoke about appreciating the power of divine absence as well as divine presence.

We talked about the value of spending time in darkness, both literal and metaphoric, and what it might mean

to have a conversation with darkness. We also talked about busyness and the role of the Sabbath in balancing our life.

And finally, the importance of recognizing that we are all already blessed.

Here's my conversation with Barbara Brown Taylor.

Barbara, I wanted to begin with a quote from your book Leaving Church and here's the

quote. Loss is how we come to surrender our lives.

And I wanted to start with this topic of loss, and if you will, the value of loss and if you will the value of loss on the spiritual journey because it's

something that people don't talk about a lot and I think it's so important

it's been so important in my own life and to begin I wonder if you would talk a little bit about how you see the value of loss on the spiritual journey.

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