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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Art of Losing | Interview: John Podhoretz

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

News, Politics

4.76.6K Ratings

🗓️ 22 June 2026

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Jonah Goldberg invites John Podhoretz back to The Remnant to provide some much-needed cathartic release over the disastrous memorandum of understanding with Iran and to discuss JD Vance's future within the Republican Party. Show notes: —GLoP podcast —Abe Greenwald for Commentary —Jonah's G-File on Greenland The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a nonpartisan perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including the Saturday Ruminant, audio versions of all our articles and newsletters, and Jonah’s twice-weekly G-File—⁠click here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention.

0:18.0

Can you dig it?

0:25.7

Greetings and listeners.

0:26.8

This is Jonah Goldberg, Coach of the Remnant podcast, brought to you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media.

0:31.5

So, we don't do a lot of Israel content and foreign policy content on here. We do our share.

0:38.1

And this has been a very special time.

0:41.0

And many people have wanted to make sure that people took away John Podoritz's belt and

0:45.7

shoelaces during the last, say, week to 10 days.

0:48.8

But he's been fine.

0:50.0

He's been holding up very well.

0:51.3

I would actually say among the supporters, the forthright supporters

0:56.0

of this war and all that, I think John and his colleagues

1:00.2

stand out for actual intellectual integrity, which is to say

1:04.2

that when Trump reversed himself on everything,

1:08.4

they didn't reverse themselves. They said, no, this sucks.

1:11.0

And it's not all Vance's fault.

1:12.7

It's like Trump is making a huge mistake.

1:14.3

And it shouldn't sound like that's something to praise someone for.

1:18.2

But how rare it is makes a requirement of it.

1:22.4

For those you don't know, John is my partner in crime on the Glop podcast.

1:26.6

He also edits commentary, which I have written for.

1:30.5

Formerst Jewish intellectual publication in the English-speaking world, world, I don't know.

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