Hello friends, always delighted that you're here and today I think you are going to love the

guess that I'm chatting with. His name is Todd Kachten. He has a book called The Art of Insubordination.

And when I read this book I was like, oh man, this just gives me all the brain tingles because I see so

much of my own even childhood behavior of insubordination in just

very subtle ways and I think you're going to get so much out of this

conversation and so much out of his book.

So let's dive in. I'm Sharon McMahon and welcome to the Sharon Says So podcast.

I'm so excited for this conversation today. Todd, thank you so much for doing this.

Your book is super interesting to me because I feel like it applies to almost my entire life.

So can you just give us a little bit of an introduction

of like who you are, what you do

and that I'm excited to dive into the topic of your book?

Yeah, sure.

Your enthusiasm is already contagious. So I'm a professor of psychology at

George Mason University. I had my stints working on the floor of the New York

Soccer Exchange in Wall Street because my grandmother was one of the first women to work on Wall Street.

And I've been running the well-being laboratory for 22 years now. And so we study all the things

people wish they were talking about at cocktail parties, meaning a purpose in life, love, how do you maintain romantic relationships, curiosity, creativity, compassion, you name the interesting topic. Right now we're studying, how do you get

blues and red to talk to each other and not pull each other's hair out?

That is a useful skill. So your book is called The Art of Insubordination. How did dissent defy effectively?

When I saw the title, I was immediately like, well, I need that. First of all, start with the title.

What does that even mean?

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