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The Mark Divine Show

The Antidote to Extremism: Meta-Ideological Politics (with Ryan Nakade)

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Mark Divine

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4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2024

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Meta-Ideological Politics can help people with different beliefs understand each other better and work together to solve problems in new ways.

Ryan Nakade is a trained mediator and facilitator who works with various organizations to bridge divides and build resilient communities. He serves as a facilitator for the Department of Human Services family decision cases, Board Vice President of the Oregon Mediation Association, and an advisory committee member for the Beaverton Center for Mediation and Dialogue. In his spare time, he studies politics, philosophy, and complex systems, and is developing a new style of politics called Meta-Ideological Politics to transcend polarization and partisanship.

Key Takeaways:

  • Extremism Defined: Extremism is an ideology predicated on taking hostile action or violence towards any group that you don't like, not just believing in certain ideas.

  • The Spread of Contagious Violence: Contagious violence spreads through cycles of retaliation, with social media amplifying polarization by promoting inflammatory content.

  • Applying Integral Theory to Ideological Perspectives: Integral theory and stage development models provide a framework for understanding different ideological perspectives and fostering more inclusive discussions.

  • The Promise of Meta-Ideological Politics: Meta-Ideological Politics encourages reflection on ideologies from a meta-perspective, integrating diverse viewpoints and transcending limitations of traditional political thinking.

  • Reinterpreting Old Ideas Through New Frameworks: Reinterpreting and rereading old ideas through new frameworks, such as complexity science, can lead to novel insights and solutions to societal challenges.

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0:00.0

Coming up on the Mark Devine show. So my definition of extremism is a is a

0:06.8

variation of an extremist scholar named J. M. J. M. Berger's definition, which is it's

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a ideology that's predicated on taking hostile action or violence towards any group that you don't like.

0:18.0

So it's not only I believe in X, Y, and Z, or I believe that your group is bad, but I believe that I need to take hostile

0:25.7

action or violent action against you in order to preserve my group and enact my vision for

0:30.9

the society that I want. I am Mark Devine and this is the Mark Devine show.

0:39.0

Thank you so much for joining me today.

0:41.0

On this show I explore what it means to be fearless.

0:43.4

I'm looking through the lens of the world's most interesting, compassionate,

0:47.2

resilient, and inspirational leaders. I speak to folks from all walks of life.

0:51.4

Meditation monks, blockchain wizards, extreme adversity survivors, and philosophers like

0:57.7

my guest today, Ryan Nakatay. Ryan Nakatay is a mediator, conflict resolver, and get this a meta-ideological politics advocate, which is his philosophy.

1:10.2

He works on the Cure slash PDX project which uses public health approach to prevent politically motivated violence in the Pacific Northwest

1:18.4

Ryan enjoys philosophy politics systemic theories and is formulating a new style of politics that transcends

1:24.8

polarization and entrenched partisanship, which as I mentioned is called meta-ideological politics or

1:29.8

MIP. Ryan lives in Toledo, Washington with his wife and nine goats.

1:35.0

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