Coming up on the Mark Devine show. So my definition of extremism is a is a

variation of an extremist scholar named J. M. J. M. Berger's definition, which is it's

a ideology that's predicated on taking hostile action or violence towards any group that you don't like.

So it's not only I believe in X, Y, and Z, or I believe that your group is bad, but I believe that I need to take hostile

action or violent action against you in order to preserve my group and enact my vision for

the society that I want. I am Mark Devine and this is the Mark Devine show.

Thank you so much for joining me today.

On this show I explore what it means to be fearless.

I'm looking through the lens of the world's most interesting, compassionate,

resilient, and inspirational leaders. I speak to folks from all walks of life.

Meditation monks, blockchain wizards, extreme adversity survivors, and philosophers like

my guest today, Ryan Nakatay. Ryan Nakatay is a mediator, conflict resolver, and get this a meta-ideological politics advocate, which is his philosophy.

He works on the Cure slash PDX project which uses public health approach to prevent politically motivated violence in the Pacific Northwest

Ryan enjoys philosophy politics systemic theories and is formulating a new style of politics that transcends

polarization and entrenched partisanship, which as I mentioned is called meta-ideological politics or

MIP. Ryan lives in Toledo, Washington with his wife and nine goats.

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