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The Anatomy of Autocracy: Timothy Snyder

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NPR

Society & Culture, History, Documentary

4.715K Ratings

🗓️ 21 January 2021

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

When a mob of pro-Trump supporters violently stormed the U.S. Capitol on January 6, they also incited a defining moment in United States history. Now what? Historian Timothy Snyder talks to us about how we got here and what an insurrection could mean for the future of America.

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Back in November, a few weeks after the election when it was clear that Joe Biden had won and that President Trump seemed like he was trying to reverse the results.

0:11.0

I got a text from a friend.

0:13.0

It read in all caps,

0:15.0

we are in a coup.

0:18.0

Being a habitual skeptic, honestly, I just laughed.

0:22.0

I thought, yes, things are really wild. It's weird that the Republican Party is unable to process their electoral laws.

0:31.0

But a coup d'état? Come on.

0:33.0

I was born in Iran, a country with a terrible history of political upheaval. It's shaped my entire life.

0:41.0

This isn't that.

0:43.0

Yet, despite my skepticism, things got more serious.

0:48.0

The terrible signs that something bad was coming started stacking up. More and more people questioned the election.

0:55.0

Some were calling for an overthrow of the government. People seemed to get angrier by the day.

1:00.0

The idea that we might not see a peaceful transfer of power got more and more commonplace.

1:06.0

And some historians and journalists were sounding the alarm. They saw the signs.

1:12.0

They cited the history of other countries who had democratic systems that collapsed. When so many of us asked,

1:18.0

can that really happen here? They answered, yes, it can.

1:23.0

And finally, on January 6th, those ominous predictions came true.

1:38.0

Amal, incited by fiery political speeches and months of accusations that the presidential elections were rigged,

1:46.0

stormed the Capitol with the aim of reversing the election by force. Five people died.

1:53.0

It was a shock to so many Americans across the political spectrum.

1:58.0

That question about whether it could happen here had an answer. Yes, it could.

2:05.0

But maybe the question was the problem. Maybe the stubborn exceptionalism of living in a country that constantly bombards itself with positive tales of past greatness forced us to ask that question.

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