Folks would be ready to be sent to hospital, and Amazon would make comments in their injury claims, such as pain is subjective. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Sarah Moshdehzade.

Sarah is a labor reporter at the Toronto Star and the host of Hustle, a podcast series about the

fight by Fudora workers in Ontario to be able to unionize.

I'll include a link to where you can find it in the show notes.

Obviously, throughout this year, we've been talking about unionization at Amazon organizing by workers at this absolutely massive company.

And earlier this year, workers in Bessemer, Alabama, tried to unionize

and lost that vote, though it's still being challenged before the National Labor Relations

Board in the United States. But then in June, we saw that the Teamsters made a commitment to

unionize Amazon. And the Teamsters already has members in delivery, in warehousing, and in other areas that

Amazon is also involved in. So it has kind of an incentive to want to unionize these workers so

that Amazon doesn't drive down wages and working conditions in the sector that would eventually

filter out to the unionized warehouses as well because they would be uncompetitive.

And so last week we saw in Canada, the Teamsters filed for a union vote in Evanton, Alberta,

and later announced that they were organizing at other warehouses across the country.

And so I figured this was the perfect opportunity to have Sarah on the show to talk about the news of this union drive

in Canada, this attempt to unionize Amazon warehouses in Canada, but also her other reporting

on what Amazon has been up to during the pandemic and the very high injury rates at these

warehouses in Canada. Sarah and I had a great conversation, and we also

touched on how Canada is actually kind of a laggard when it comes to technology policy and,

you know, protecting workers as new technologies have been used against them to, you know,

make work more precarious, to reclassify them as contractors instead of

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