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Tech Won't Save Us

How Race Was Central to Prop 22 w/ Veena Dubal

Tech Won't Save Us

Paris Marx

Silicon Valley, Books, Technology, Arts, Future, Tech Criticism, Socialism, Paris Marx, News, Criticism, Tech News, Politics

4.8626 Ratings

🗓️ 30 September 2021

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Paris Marx is joined by Veena Dubal to discuss how Proposition 22 and the contract status of gig workers is reminiscent of the United States’ history of racial wage codes, which codified lower wages for Black workers. Veena Dubal is a Professor of Law at UC Hastings. Follow Veena on Twitter at @veenadubal. Go back to episode 10 (May 21, 2020) for Veena’s first appearance on the podcast. 🚨 T-shirts are now available! Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its wo...

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Workers who were fighting Proposition 22 kept comparing themselves to agricultural workers and domestic workers.

0:06.6

And I was like, ha, this is so interesting. I wonder what the history looked like. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

0:26.8

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Vina DuBall.

0:30.3

Vena is a professor of law at UC Hastings, whose work looks at the historical context and

0:36.8

the legal structures that define the gig economy.

0:39.7

She was a vocal opponent of Proposition 22 in California, the ballot measure that was supported

0:45.0

by the gig companies that restricted their workers to contractor status and limited their access

0:50.7

to the rights, benefits, and protections that virtually any other worker in the economy

0:55.6

would have. Vena has been working on a new article called the new racial wage code that puts the

1:01.2

labor model and the legal structure around it of the gig economy in the historical context of the

1:07.2

differential racial wage codes that have existed in U.S. history that essentially

1:12.1

ensured that black workers and that industries that primarily employed black workers,

1:17.3

in particular agriculture and domestic service, were structurally paid less than other

1:22.7

industries and workers. She argues that Proposition 22 and, you know, the broader labor model of the gig economy

1:29.1

fits into this history because so many of the gig economy workers in the United States in particular

1:35.4

are people of color and immigrants. And by denying them employment status and relegating them

1:41.5

to a third kind of labor standard, they are effectively being subjected

1:45.5

to yet another form of this kind of racial wage code. This is a fascinating connection with history

1:51.9

that Vina is drawing here, and I was really happy to have her back on the show to discuss it and its

1:57.4

implications. Before we get to this week's episode, I also want to let you know

2:01.3

about a series that I'll be doing over the next three weeks where I'll be doing two episodes

2:05.2

a week looking at the gig economy around the world. I'll be speaking to guests in Canada, Australia,

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