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Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

"The Alcoholism Myth" with Katie Herzog

Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Josh Szeps

Comedy Interviews, Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education, Comedy

4.6863 Ratings

🗓️ 30 September 2024

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

Do you drink too much? If there was a magic pill that made you not want a second drink, would you take it? You’d at least expect to have heard of it.

 

That’s what the journalist Katie Herzog thought as she sat through AA meetings, feeling like a failure for boozing. Then, she found naltrexone. Josh hasn’t had a drink in four years after having a different epiphany. Here, the two of them wrestle with myths, blind spots and revelations about drinking, addiction, introspection, and being a grown-up.

 

Katie hosts one of the most successful podcasts on the web with Jesse Singal, Blocked & Reported, where they dissect internet craziness.

 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Goody, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. One dangerous idea that is

0:08.4

floating around in the ether is the idea that there is such a thing as an alcoholic or an addict

0:15.1

and that that person is constitutionally different from the rest of us healthy users of the substances over which we are

0:22.3

entirely in control. Katie Herzog is writing a book which will be released next year about her

0:27.8

experience with alcohol and specifically with a drug that is underuse and under-recognised,

0:34.6

but incredibly useful in helping people kick booze, or at least get it under

0:39.9

control.

0:40.7

The drug's called analtrexone.

0:42.4

It changed Katie's life.

0:44.1

I have some personal experience with it myself, just because I happened to be part of a

0:48.2

clinical trial in which it was involved.

0:50.1

You'll hear all about that.

0:51.6

But this is an absolute must listen for anyone who just wants to get a better handle on the relationship that we have with substances that can form habits and how there might be pharmacological solutions that are being overlooked in our quest to try to have some sort of deep spiritual understanding of where the whole of addiction comes from.

1:12.4

If all that sounds a little bit daunting, you need to hear Katie speak.

1:16.4

She's a fabulous journalist.

1:18.3

Her life was upended when she was a freelance journal in Seattle,

1:22.4

and she happened to write a piece for Seattle's Progressive Alternative Newspaper,

1:26.8

The Stranger, about

1:28.3

detransitioners. In other words, trans people who sort of changed their minds. And this was at a

1:33.3

moment when it was incredibly taboo to do so in progressive circles. And despite the fact that

1:40.3

Katie is gay herself, she nonetheless lost dozens of friends.

1:44.6

There were enormous protests.

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