From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

When documentarians Andrew Jarecki and Charlotte Kaufman were filming their expose

of shocking conditions in Alabama prisons, they had to grapple with risking the safety of the

inmates who spoke out.

One of the harshest lessons I think we had to learn was that there is no higher authority or moral authority to turn to.

So that if you're in a situation and you feel like one of the men that you're speaking to is in danger,

there is the feeling that there's no one to turn to.

Kaufman and Jurecki reveal how an invitation from an unwitting warden to film a religious

revival at an Alabama prison opened the door to their investigation.

They met desperate prisoners who shared allegations of abuse and even murder.

The film includes evidence that the prisoners captured on their cell phones, which were

smuggled in and sold to them by prison guards.

But first, we banter. Stick around. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my guest partner in banter, Lucas Shaw. Hello, Lucas.

Hey, Kim.

So the topic, as I reported earlier this week in Puck, I went to this dinner for David

Zazlov. He got a humanitarian award from the Simon Wiesenthal Center. And the room was packed

with a lot of Hollywood power players. I mean, just at Zazlov's table, there was Stephen Spielberg

and David Geffen and Alan Grubman and Dustin Hoffman, but all kinds of people

said Tarandos was there. David Ellison was there. So we were in this situation where potential

buyers of Warner Brothers, which is now in play, were sitting there at David Zaslov's celebration.

And there was a lot of somber material dealing with October 7th

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