The AI End Game: Who’s Leading the Way? with Derek Thompson
Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast
MS NOW, Chris Hayes
4.6 • 9.1K Ratings
🗓️ 5 May 2026
⏱️ 62 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | It is not a coincidence that Donald Trump was disproportionately supported by the billionaire class. |
| 0:06.4 | And if you look inside the one big, beautiful bill, what do you find? |
| 0:11.2 | You find enormous tax cuts averaging $300,000 for the top 0.1% that is coincident with the largest cuts to health care for the poor in American history. |
| 0:25.0 | That is what I'm most afraid of, is not just a world where billionaires control artificial |
| 0:32.0 | intelligence, which itself might be dystopian, but a world where billionaires, by virtue of their AI wealth, |
| 0:39.1 | are able to control everything else because they can buy political power, that is scary to me. |
| 0:44.6 | And you don't have to buy into the entire agenda of left populism to see how dangerous it is |
| 0:50.8 | for power to be amassed in such a small number of hands. |
| 0:57.2 | Hello and welcome to Wise is happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes. |
| 1:06.5 | I'm very excited because today we are launching something new |
| 1:09.4 | and something we've been working on for a while and something I have been very focused on and excited about, which is our new special with Pod special miniseries, with Pod, the AI Endgame, which is, as the title suggests, about AI and where it's all going, possibly with, I don't know, the extinction of the human species. |
| 1:29.1 | I'm hoping that's not the end game that we're headed towards, although there are some people who think that is where we're headed towards. |
| 1:34.7 | I don't know if you're like me, but I'll just speak for myself here that there's something about the AI discourse that puts my head in like the bad place and puts me kind of |
| 1:44.3 | into like a defensive crouch or like gets my anxiety neural circuitry firing, that there's a |
| 1:52.5 | sense that I have of scariness and doom that lingers over all of it. And with that is also a real |
| 1:59.4 | sense of alienation, but some curiosity. |
| 2:02.5 | And one of the things that I've found in undertaking this enterprise, which is going to run for a number of weeks, is that the more I approach it with curiosity, the more I learn, the more that the kind of visceral anxiety reaction subsides a bit, the more interested I am in just the profound questions around AI, |
| 2:21.7 | philosophical questions, technical questions, social questions, economic questions, educational and |
| 2:27.2 | pedagogical questions. It implicates so much of our lives, this technology right now. |
| 2:32.6 | It's so at the center of the discourse. And the more |
| 2:35.6 | that I kind of approach it with curiosity and the more I talk to people about it, the less I feel |
| 2:40.4 | like I'm staring down the barrel of a gun. And the more I feel like, okay, maybe this just is some |
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