Hey, Alarmy, check out Alarmist on Patreon for ad-free episodes and bonus content.

There's also the necklace. You've probably seen it with the emeralds.

Like, these huge emeralds.

I know.

And then there's the one that has the pearls, too.

It's all stunning.

It's all stunning.

And I feel, I know that this is not to blame.

But I just think in honor of our history we should put,

because these beautiful things are so shiny and pretty,

humans getting handsy on the board.

Ooh, great way to start, Clayton.

Go to patreon.com slash The Alarmist and subscribe today.

Each week, we decide who's to blame for historical tragedy.

And each week, you tell us if we got it right.

My name is Rebecca Delgado-Smith, and this is The Aftermath.

Hey, everyone, thanks for tuning into this episode of The Aftermath. Today, we're speaking with guest expert Dr. Jody Linay Madera. Dr. Madera is a professor at Indiana University, Mowers School of Law.

She is an internationally recognized expert in fertility fraud, bioethics, and law and medicine,

with a focus on reproductive endocrinology. Her research has been profiled in national and

international media, including the Netflix documentary Our Father.

Dr. Madera's most recent book is called Taking Baby Steps, How Patients and Fertility Clinics Collaborate in Conception.

Let's hear what she has to say about the case of Donald Klein and his secret children.

...