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The Afghan leak: what next?

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🗓️ 21 July 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

After last week’s shocking revelations that a list of tens of thousands of Afghans who’d helped the British was leaked, has that already led to deaths - and what happens now?

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Guest: Tom Witherow, News Reporter, The Times. 

Host: Manveen Rana.

Producer: Olivia Case.

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0:00.0

From The Times and the Sunday Times, this is the story. I'm Manvian Rana.

0:07.0

It was the culmination of an almost two-year-long legal battle.

0:16.0

Last week, the Times and other media organisations won the fight to have a super injunction

0:22.8

that had been used to cover up a huge government data leak overturned.

0:29.3

The leak risked the lives of tens of thousands of Afghans who'd worked with the British military,

0:36.0

and they weren't even told they were in danger.

0:39.6

The government, with no oversight or accountability, had secretly spent at least £850 million

0:46.8

on dealing with the consequences. It was a scandal when it broke, and now we have the fallout.

0:57.1

Now, a lawyer says that the brother of an elite Afghan soldier who was on the list was killed by the Taliban on Friday.

1:02.6

It has been revealed that the personal details of UK special forces and spies were included in the huge data leak.

1:10.1

This was a significant development, actually.

1:13.0

Not just the Taliban that are looking at these names,

1:15.2

it's also Al-Qaeda, ISIS, the Russians, the Chinese.

1:19.6

It's helping them build a picture up as to who our special forces are.

1:22.6

This episode raises significant constitutional issues.

1:26.6

Ministers who served under the party opposite

1:29.4

have serious questions to answer

1:31.4

about how this was ever allowed to happen.

1:37.4

How did this happen?

1:40.0

How much danger could many Afghans now be in

1:43.2

and how much more will this cost the government?

1:54.8

The story today.

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