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The Behavioral Observations Podcast with Matt Cicoria

The ACT Matrix and Training Law Enforcement Officers: Session 138 with Tina Long and Joe Schlenz

The Behavioral Observations Podcast with Matt Cicoria

Matt Cicoria

Science, Mental Health, Skinner, Behaviorism, Behaviorconsultant, Aba, Behavioralpsychology, Health & Fitness, Appliedbehavioranalysis, Autism, Acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy, Fba, Social Sciences, Verbalbehavior, Bcba, Functionalassessment, Discretetrial

4.8648 Ratings

🗓️ 23 November 2020

⏱️ 107 minutes

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Summary

Shortly after I published Session 124 on Police Academy training with John O'Neill, Tina Long, a BCBA from Northern Virginia, emailed me to share the outreach work that she has done with her local police department in Fairfax County.

Specifically, in the wake of the nationwide re-examination of the role of policing, Tina felt compelled share what she has learned about the ACT Matrix with local law enforcement personnel, and after leaning more about her story, I thought it was definitely worth sharing on the podcast.

Tina and I had a brief conversation that we recorded back in August. At the time, she had the opportunity to do a training with the police department, but unfortunately, due to circumstances beyond her control, her allotted time was cut to 20 minutes.

As such, we made plans to connect later on and record another segment once Tina was able to get deeper into the material. So this podcast consists of both the original conversation from August, and our follow up, which was recorded in November 2020. 

For Part 2 of this conversation, Tina was able to get Officer Joe Schlenz, the lead crisis intervention training instructor, from the Fairfax County Police Department to join us as well. In this segment, Joe provides a wide-ranging perspective on the role of empathy and compassion in policing, de-escalation, triaging and managing risk, officer burnout and suicide, and so much more.

If you're concerned about policing in America, I hope that the work he and his colleagues are doing will give you a sense of optimism. And as I've said in previous shows, it is always great to talk about how people from different fields consume and apply concepts from the behavioral sciences. 

Here are some of the resources we discussed:

I think this is really the first podcast where we talk about the ACT Matrix. If you're a long time listener, we've done many shows on ACT itself, but I'm looking forward to learning more about the ACT Matrix itself, so you can probably expect to hear more about it in 2021. 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, everyone. Thanks for joining me in session 138. I've got a great interview to share with you today. It's actually a two-part interview taped at two different times.

0:09.6

Shortly after I published an episode on Police Academy training with John O'Neill a few months ago, Tina Long, who's at BCBA from Northern Virginia, emailed me to share the outreach work she is done with her local police department in Fairfax County.

0:25.6

Specifically in the wake of the nationwide re-examination of the role of policing, Tina felt compelled to share what she learned about the act matrix with local law enforcement personnel.

0:37.4

After learning more about her story, I thought this was definitely worth sharing on

0:40.4

the podcast.

0:42.1

So Tina and I had a brief conversation that we recorded back in August.

0:46.1

At the time, she had the opportunity to do a training with the police department, but

0:49.0

unfortunately, due to circumstances beyond her control, her lot of time was cut down to 20

0:53.9

minutes. I can only imagine

0:55.9

the horror of trying to truncate a long workshop into just about 20 minutes. So as such,

1:05.2

we made plans to connect later on and record another segment once Tina was able to get deeper into

1:10.7

the material.

1:11.9

So this podcast consists of both the original conversation from last August and our follow,

1:16.3

which was just recorded recently in November of 2020. For part two of this conversation,

1:23.1

Tina was able to get Officer Joe Schlens from the Fairfax County Police Department to join us as well.

1:29.3

In this segment, Joe provided a wide-ranging perspective on the role of empathy and compassion and policing, de-escalation,

1:37.1

both in terms of working with fellow officers as well as individuals in the community,

1:42.8

triaging and manning risk for unsafe situations,

1:46.5

officer burnout, officer suicide, and so much more. I think you really find, I think you'll really

1:51.8

find his contribution to the show very compelling. So if you're concerned about policing

1:58.9

in America, I really hope the work that he and his colleagues are doing will give you a sense of optimism.

2:05.2

And as I've said in previous shows, it's always great to talk about how people from different fields consume and apply concepts from the behavioral sciences.

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