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ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

The 4% Rule | Friday Roundup

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc

Investing, Business, Careers

4.85.2K Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2017

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Most early retirees obsess over how much they need to retire—but the real danger isn't your portfolio size, it's when the market tanks. Brad Barrett and Jonathan Mendonsa break down sequence of return risk, the often-overlooked factor that can make or break your retirement in the first five years. Building on their conversation with Big Earn, they explore why market downturns can be a saver's best friend but an early retiree's worst nightmare, and what you can do about it. This episode covers listener questions on withdrawal strategies, bond allocation timing, and the flexibility required to weather worst-case scenarios. Key Takeaways Understanding Sequence of Returns Risk Your returns in the first few years dictate your success or failure. [00:02:11] Don't jump in without understanding sequence of return risk. [00:02:57] Savers vs. Early Retirees Market downturns can benefit savers by allowing them to invest at a lower price, while they can pose a significant risk to early retirees. [00:07:05] Mitigating Risks To better prepare for sequence of return risk, consider changing withdrawal strategies to a percentage-based approach rather than fixed. [00:11:20] Having a higher allocation in bonds during the early stages of retirement may help soften the effects of sequence of return risk. [00:38:33] Flexibility in Financial Planning Flexibility is vital for successful financial planning. [00:39:29] Preparation for Worst-Case Scenarios Prepare for the worst case in your financial strategy. [00:43:11] Timestamps & Major Topics Discussed [00:01:05] Sequence of Returns Risk: Introduced as a critical concept for early retirees. [00:02:42] Community Feedback: Interaction with the audience and insights from the community. [00:07:05] Savers vs. Early Retirees: Discuss how initial market conditions affect these two groups differently. [00:08:01] Mitigating Sequence of Return Risk: Strategies for minimizing the impact of early market downturns. [00:39:29] Financial Flexibility: Adapting financial strategies based on personal circumstances. Action Items Evaluate withdrawal strategies: Change from fixed to percentage withdrawals to adapt to market conditions. Bond allocation: Maintain a bond allocation early in retirement to counteract sequence of return risk. Flexible strategies: Cultivate flexibility in financial plans to adjust to circumstances throughout retirement. Emergency plans: Review your investment strategy and prepare for market downturns. [00:42:32] Terminology Sequence of Returns Risk: The risk of receiving lower or negative investment returns early in a period when withdrawals are being made from an investment portfolio. [00:02:11] Safe Withdrawal Rate: A percentage used to determine how much an investor can withdraw from their retirement savings without running out of money. [00:01:19] Related Resources Book: The Simple Path to Wealth [00:56:22] Episode Mentions Episode 034: Jim Collins on Financial Independence [00:08:28] Episode 035: Big Earn on Sequence of Return Risk [00:04:40]

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Okay guys, thanks for joining us today. This is your Friday Roundup.

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Congratulations. You've made it to the weekend. And I have Brad here with me today.

1:00.0

He is actually going to be doing this podcast from I believe New York. Is that right, Brad?

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Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Jonathan. I'm on vacation as I've talked about on a couple of podcasts before this.

1:10.0

And yeah, I'm sitting here in the basement of my in-laws house with my trusty laptop and my microphone and read it in a rock and roll.

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Strong location independent. I think we found a good side hustle. Yeah. Yeah, I think that sounds pretty good.

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Okay. So today we're going to talk a little bit about the episode on Monday.

1:28.0

Lots of stuff there. This was a longer requested episode. It was one that when Brad and I started this podcast back in January,

1:35.0

we were scared to do. I mean, sequence of returns is not something that you tackle lightly.

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It takes some thought and some planning and obviously there was some building blocks of FI that you had to put underneath that before you could really tackle it with any sort of authority.

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And Bigger is the right person to help us explore that topic, help us unpack it. And he did a great job.

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He has a 17 part. I think he's about to release the 18th part very soon.

1:59.0

A series on safe withdrawal rates. It's a phenomenal walk through how to explore the math and how safe withdrawal rates or the 4% rule or the 3.5% rule or the 4% rule of thumb.

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However, you want to phrase it how that can actually be implemented for your specific situation.

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