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ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

035 | Sequence of Return Risk: What Every Early Retiree Must Know

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc

Investing, Business, Careers

4.85.2K Ratings

🗓️ 7 August 2017

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

The 4% rule might fail you—but not for the reason you think. Average market returns matter far less than when those returns happen, especially in your first decade of retirement. Brad and Jonathan sit down with Big Earn from Early Retirement Now to unpack sequence of return risk: the hidden danger that can derail even a well-funded retirement if you're unlucky with market timing. Big Earn breaks down why withdrawing during a downturn compounds losses in ways the accumulation phase never prepares you for. The conversation covers how to calculate a truly safe withdrawal rate based on your specific circumstances, the critical first 5–10 years that make or break your portfolio, and flexible strategies to adapt when markets turn against you. [00:01:20] Guest Introduction: Big Earn Big Earn from Early Retirement Now joins to discuss sequence of return risk. [00:11:40] What is Sequence of Return Risk? Sequence of return risk is the potential negative impact on a retiree's portfolio caused by withdrawing funds during market downturns. "Unlucky draws in the first 5-10 years can lead to running out of money." "Getting unlucky with market downturns matters more than low average returns." [00:18:00] Calculating Safe Withdrawal Rates A common starting point is the 4% rule, but factors impacting the withdrawal rate include age, market conditions, and personal expenses. [00:28:00] Factors Affecting Retirement Savings Individual circumstances can alter financial plans significantly. Considerations include social security and market performance in retirement planning. "Writing down your financial plans clarifies your understanding." [00:37:00] Mitigating Sequence of Return Risk Strategies include various withdrawal approaches and portfolio allocations. "Automatically withdrawing without assessment is unwise." "Wealth is built through consistent investments and staying the course." Action Items Evaluate your current withdrawal rate and assess its sustainability based on market conditions. [00:31:29] Research and understand sequence of return risk before planning for retirement. [00:12:27] Utilize simulation tools to create personalized financial models. [00:55:37] Related Resources Early Retirement Now - Safe Withdrawal Rate Series [00:50:39] Bogleheads Investment Philosophy [00:39:00] Key Terminology Sequence of Return Risk [00:12:27]: The risk of receiving lower or negative returns early in retirement, which can have a detrimental effect on the overall portfolio value. Safe Withdrawal Rate [00:18:00]: The percentage of a retirement portfolio that can be withdrawn annually without running out of money over a specific period, commonly set at 4%. Dollar-Cost Averaging [00:57:00]: A strategy of investing a fixed amount of money at regular intervals, regardless of the asset's price, to reduce the impact of volatility. ▶ Listen Next: Ep. 038 — The Why of FI: Why Pursue Financial Independence? | Essential Listening

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Choosify Radio Podcast.

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For those of you who are listening for the first time, my name is Jonathan and my co-hosts

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name is Brad.

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Together, we are a pharmacist, CPA, combination out of Richmond, Virginia.

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The Choosify Podcast is a podcast by the Phi community for the Phi community where Phi

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stands for financial independence.

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We host a twice week show on Mondays and Fridays.

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On Monday, we tackle a new topic or idea that can help us get to our goal of Phi faster

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and on Fridays, we crowdsource feedback from our community which allows us to go deeper

0:29.8

into each topic.

0:31.5

Along the way, we try to feature thought leaders from the Phi community and explore the

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infinite number of ways that people tackle this amazing journey.

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Welcome to the ride and enjoy the show.

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Your listening to Choosify Radio.

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The blueprint for financial independence lives here.

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If you're looking to unlock the secrets to financial independence and early retirement,

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you're in the right place.

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Stay tuned and join a community of like-minded people who are getting off the answer

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and taking control of their lives in the pursuit of financial independence.

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Okay, welcome to the show.

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Today we have Big Earn from Early Retirement Now joining us in the studio and we're going

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