The 2 men who invented the war between science & faith - Tim O’Neill, Dave Hutchings & James Ungureanu

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🗓️ 26 August 2022

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Podcast version: In the 19th Century John Draper and Andrew White conjured up one of the most successful and enduring myths of the modern world - the supposed historical conflict between science and faith. Justin explores their story with David Hutchings and James Ungureanu, authors of 'Of Popes and Unicorns: Science, Christianity and how the conflict thesis fooled the world'. They are also joined by Tim O'Neill of the 'History For Atheists' website, a non-believer who has established a reputation for critiquing his own side when they get things wrong. At the end of the show Justin also speaks to director Christopher Shawn Shaw about the comedy movie 'Church People'. For a 30% discount on 'Of Popes and Unicorns' use checkout code AAFLYG6: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/of-popes-and-unicorns-9780190053093? For Tim O'Neill: https://historyforatheists.com/ For the movie 'Church People': https://churchpeoplefilm.com/ • Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://pod.link/267142101 • More shows, free eBook & newsletter: https://premierunbelievable.com • For live events: http://www.unbelievable.live • For online learning: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/training-and-events • Support us in the USA: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support us in the rest of the world: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/donate

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0:00.0	He says this, then it was that there was born in upon me a sense of the real difficulty,
0:15.5	the antagonism between the theological and the scientific view of the universe.
0:21.9	And so in those two little excerpts you're getting the birth of the conflict thesis because
0:27.5	as James and Tim know very well these books went on to be quite influential and successful.
0:32.0	Just because you're an atheist doesn't mean that you hate religion.
0:34.5	It's because you're an atheist doesn't mean that you think all religious believers are
0:38.3	idiots.
0:39.8	And I get people telling me all the time when you're helping them and I'm like, helping
0:44.8	them do what?
0:48.1	And they often say, well, you're making the same arguments they make and I'm like, well,
0:51.2	I'm making the same arguments that historians make.
0:54.6	They make those arguments too. That's because Christians are always wrong about everything.
1:01.4	You're listening to unbelievable with Justin Briley.
1:06.3	Hello, welcome to today's edition of Unbelievable, bringing you the first of two shows looking
1:11.0	at the science and faith conflict, both historically that's today's show and in the present
1:16.4	day that will be next week's program. I'll tell you about that one later on.
1:19.6	But today's show, a fascinating dive back into the history of the two men credited with creating
1:24.7	the conflict narrative and I'll introduce my three guests very shortly.
1:29.5	Just brought we leap in. A reminder, we've got an exciting unbelievable live event coming
1:33.2	up Tuesday, the 13th of September, falling from grace, addressing power, leadership and
1:38.2	abuse in the church, citing round table for this one between Amy or you informally of
1:42.8	Arzim, Rachel Den Hollander, Mike Cosper of the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill podcast and
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