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That's so raven

Outside/In

NHPR

Society & Culture, Documentary, Natural Sciences, Nature, Science

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2026

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Ravens get a bad rap in western culture. They’re an ominous symbol of death, considered “unclean” by the bible, and star in Edgar Allen Poe’s haunting gothic poem, “The Raven.” A group of ravens is called an “unkindness.” What a burn. But host Nate Hegyi is on a mission to show that we should give the raven a bit more credit. It’s one of the most intelligent creatures on earth — an animal that can use tools like a chimpanzee, speak like a parrot, do tricks like a dog, and investigate murders like Sherlock Holmes.  So today on the show, another edition of our ongoing series, Holy Scat: raven edition. Featuring Sophie Nilles and Will Geiger. Produced by Nate Hegyi. For a transcript and full list of credits, go to ⁠outsideinradio.org⁠.  SUPPORT Outside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In.  Follow Outside/In on Instagram or join our private discussion group on Facebook. LINKS Dr. Kaeli Swift is one of the foremost corvid researchers on the planet, and she’s done a deep dive into corvid funerals.  Here’s the study that shows ravens parallel great apes in terms of intelligence. If you want a real creepy experience, you should watch Vincent Price recite Edgar Allen Poe’s ‘The Raven.’ Need more raven stories from southeast Alaska? The Sealaska Heritage Institute just published a collection.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey, this is outside in a show where curiosity and the natural world collide. I am Nate Hedgy here with producer Marina Hankey. Hello. So, Marina, I brought you in here because I want to tell you this wild story. Okay. So the other day, I was at this animal rescue center in Sitka, Alaska. When we go in there, I'm going to have you stand sort of in the corner. I'm going to introduce you, get you

0:21.0

walking around a little bit. This place used to be a community college, but each of the classrooms

0:26.5

now has an animal in it. Okay. And I'm there with this trainer. Her name is Sophie Nillis.

0:31.4

This is Anis's enclosure. I've adorned it with different things.

0:35.5

Hey, Sonics. Hi, buddy. I always say hi. Give them my heads up. Come on in. You just have me stay in the corner? You can come right over here. Perfect. Oh God, Nate. I can't even imagine what you're in front of right now. I go into the room and then hanging out near this wall is Onyx. Onyx speak.

0:55.0

The boy.

0:57.0

That sounds like a dog.

0:59.0

Like a bark, like a little roof.

1:01.0

It is not a dog.

1:03.0

It is a raven.

1:05.0

Making that know it, not that I just assume it's like,

1:07.0

ca caw, caw.

1:08.0

No, no, no, no, no, no, much more guttural.

1:11.2

When you hear the word raven, what is the vibe?

1:20.7

What's, what do you think of?

1:22.3

When I imagine a raven, I think of, like, very wings that are like swooping down in like a German

1:32.1

forest. Like that's my raven vibe. Very accurate when it comes to vibes of raven, at least in

1:38.0

Western culture. They are an ominous symbol of death. They are considered unclean by the Bible. A group of ravens,

1:47.0

Marina, is called an unkindness. An unkindness? So if you're like seeing a bunch of ravens,

1:52.0

you're like, that's an unkindness. I've also heard a conspiracy of ravens. But I am here to tell

1:58.0

you that I think we have gotten it all wrong.

2:01.4

I think that Ravens are some of the most interesting, coolest, complex, and most importantly, smartest animals out there.

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