The result that has to be achieved is that Iran does not have the capacity to develop nuclear

weapons to destroy the state of Israel, as they promised to do, while they're negotiating,

to create a missile, ballistic missile arsenal that is equivalent to several atomic bombs

while they're negotiating. That's not going to happen. And of course, to continue the proxy war

that was meant to basically

snuff out the life of the Jewish state. You know, that's, we said never again. This is something

we've said since the Holocaust. The Jewish people have suffered under the Iranian proxies,

the worst massacre since the Holocaust. Now they're planning a nuclear Holocaust. We're not

going to let them get away with it.

It's Monday, June 16th, 2025, and welcome back to Goodfellows, a Hoover Institution broadcast,

examining social, economic, political, and geopolitical concerns. I'm Bill Whalen. I'm a Hoover

Distinguished Policy Fellow. I'll be your moderator today. Before we go any further, you should know this is an impromptu episode of Goodfellows. We did not

have this on the books, but events have forced us together. Joining us today, the historian Sir Neil Ferguson

and former presidential national security advisor, Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster, they're both Hoover Senior Fellows. As you know, the topic, as you might guess, we're going to talk about Israel, Iran, what comes next to the Middle East.

Gentlemen, thanks for coming on the show, and let's get right to it because our time is precious. Two questions for you to debate. Number one, the Israeli strategy, which is essentially dunking on Iran. They control the airspace. They can bomb whenever, wherever they want to.

They can decapitate leadership. HRs of military strategies. I'm curious if you think this is a winning

strategy, if it gets Israel to where it wants to be. And then the second question for the both of you,

what if Prime Minister Netanyahu calls the White House as Mr. President, we need your help.

We can keep bombing, but to get to the goal, which is to eradicate the nuclear program and the ballistic

missiles once and for all. We need bunker busters dropped from American bombers. What do you do?

Gentlemen, take it away.

Hey, I just say, first of all, I mean, it's a winning strategy because from Israel's perspective,

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