They're not going to be fighting each other. They've had it. They've had a big fight, like two kids in a school yard.

You know, they fight like hell. You can't stop them. Let them fight for about two, three minutes. Then it's easier to stop them.

Then daddy has to sometimes use strong language. You have to use strong language. Every once in a certain word.

It's Friday, June 27th, 2025, and welcome back to Goodfellows, a Hoover Institution broadcast,

examining social, economic, political, and in this case, geopolitical concerns. I'm Bill Whalen.

I'm a Hoover Distinguished Policy Fellow. I'll be our moderator today, and we begin one Goodfellow shy. Sir Neil Ferguson is going to join us at some

point. Meanwhile, we're going to start our show with the knowledge of Lieutenant General H.R.

McMaster and economist John Cochran, both John and H.R. Our time is short, gentlemen, let's get

right to it. HR, I turn to you. I'm curious about what has happened here in the Middle East in this regard.

The United States did something which militarily is phenomenal, the idea of flying a plane 37 hours

round trip, dropping bombs with precision on a nuclear facility, nobody dying on that mission.

And yet those planes come back to the United States and what happens two things.

Number one, questioning the idea of bombing to begin with.

But secondly, then questioning the efficiency of the attack.

My question to HR, is this simply a function of the fact that Donald Trump's fingerprints are on it, thus it must be bad?

Or is there something larger foot here about the media's attitude toward military in general?

You know, I think they're both dynamics at play here. You know, I mean, it's funny. I guess if you,

if you dislike Donald Trump enough, you begin to cheer for Ayatollah Hominee, you know? And, and,

and it was just ridiculous the whole, you know, the whole discussion about the initial reports of limited

effects.

Of course, we're not going to know that for a little while, but it's clear to me, that nuclear

program is set way back. I would say definitely much more than than months. I mean, certainly

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