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Paul, I sent you a photo of a car decal that I saw this morning on the West Side Highway.

And so, okay, just to give an idea to the listeners,

you know those car decals where it's like mom and dad and two kids and a dog and a cat

to like kind of delineate what's happening inside the car?

Like what we're working with inside the SV,, the SVU, the SUV.

This one is why I've never seen before.

And it was a man and two little girls or a little girl and little boy.

I couldn't tell.

Two little kids.

Yeah.

I'm looking at it.

Then there was a space between them with an arrow that said position open.

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