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So we get like medicines for Oliver through the mail sometimes.

You know, he's doing well. Oliver's doing great. Lush coat,

living the dream. Gorgeous cat. Gorgeous cat. You know, loving his Zoftig body. He's loving it.

But we get some medications for him. His Rubenesque for him. Ruben-esque. You know what? If you will.

We were talking about a word the other day for Rubensk, and that was the word I was trying

to think. Oh, my dad. No, not your bad. You're good. Thank you. That, like, scratched and itch,

I didn't know it was still there. In any case, we get these medicines, and they always,

they'll send like a cat toy, or they'll send like a little, whatever, what have you. Thank you

for using this, blah, blah, blah.'ll send like a little whatever, what have you. Thank you for using this,

blah, blah, blah. They send us a toothbrush to celebrate pet dental health month and say, so you can

brush Oliver's teeth as if we are in any way capable of brushing Oliver's teeth. I felt

attacked. I felt judged. I've never brushed a cat's teeth.

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