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From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is now and then.

I'm Heather Cox Richardson.

And I'm Joanne Freeman. Today we're going to talk about a topic that I suppose you could say,

mythically speaking is bigger than life, and that is the state of Texas.

In many ways, in America's sense of itself, in a kind of mythic way, Texas loons large.

And Texans themselves have pretty distinctive ideas about themselves and their rights, which migrate into American culture as a whole.

So looking at Texas is partly looking at American identity, Ritz Small, partly looking about America and history and myths.

And the reason we're talking about this today is because there's a lot going on in Texas recently.

Most specifically, there was the recent, unusual and I suppose in some ways unexpected impeachment of the state's Republican Attorney General can pass down by Republicans.

And he is on the brink of being removed from office by members of his own party.

And he appears to be in defending himself, tapping into this sort of mythologized version of Texans independence.

So Paxton is an interesting example of exactly what you're talking about Joanne because he has always been a right wing firebrand.

He has been a fixture in state politics for a long time.

He was first elected to the state legislature in 2002 and elected to the Attorney General's office in 2014.

But nearly for the entire time he has been Attorney General, he has been under indictment for securities fraud since 2015.

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