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Now & Then

Encore: Women Warriors: Ukraine & Beyond

Now & Then

Vox Media Podcast Network

History, Society & Culture, News Commentary, News

4.93.7K Ratings

🗓️ 31 May 2023

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Stories of remarkable heroism by women in Ukraine have captured the imagination of the world over the past 15 months. How have women warriors shaped conversations over gender, violence, and heroism over the course of United States history? In this Memorial Day-inspired encore presentation of a March 2022 episode, Heather and Joanne discuss the Revolutionary War figures Molly Pitcher and Deborah Sampson, Harriet Tubman’s Civil War spying raids, and Ukrainian sniper Lyudmila Pavlichenko’s 1942 tour of the U.S. Join CAFE Insider to listen to “Backstage,” where Heather and Joanne chat each week about the anecdotes and ideas that formed the episode. Head to: cafe.com/history For references & supplemental materials, head to: cafe.com/now-and-then/encore-women-warriors-ukraine-and-beyond/ Now & Then is presented by CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:47.0

Hey folks, we're off this week now and then.

0:52.0

But we wanted to highlight a past episode that speaks to the values of Memorial Day.

0:57.0

In March 2022, just after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we highlighted the bravery of Ukrainian women who joined the fight.

1:05.0

We also tied these warriors to women in American history whose bravery in battle has shaped our national conversation around gender, violence, and heroism.

1:15.0

Tragically, these stories are just as pressing today as they were 14 months ago.

1:20.0

As stories of the resilience and struggles of the Ukrainian people continue to emerge in this second year of the conflict.

1:27.0

We hope these stories of Molly picture Harriet Tubman and Ludmila Public Chinkle can inspire you as you consider the meaning of Memorial Day.

1:37.0

We'll be back next Wednesday with a new episode.

1:40.0

Until then, we wish you all a healthy and happy week and we hope that you had a special Memorial Day holiday.

1:47.0

Without further ado, here's our encore presentation of Women Warriors, Ukraine and Beyond.

1:54.0

From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is now and then.

2:01.0

I'm Heather Cox Richardson and I'm Joanne Freeman.

2:07.0

Today we're going to talk about a topic that was inspired by, I suppose, as so many conversations were being inspired by today, the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

2:18.0

What struck Heather and I last week when we began thinking about this episode was the way in which there are so many stories coming out of Ukraine about the fighting of the war that are centered on women.

2:32.0

Loan women, individual women like the woman who allegedly threw a jar of cucumbers, which apparently is actually a jar of tomatoes, add a drone and brought a drone down or the older woman who gave sunflower seeds to Russian soldiers so that when they died in Ukraine, the Ukrainian national flower, sunflower would grow up around their bodies.

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