It was old saying in coaching, guys don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.

And it's so unbelievably true with this, I hate to sound like an old guy, but with this new generation of guys,

you better take the time to spend to get to know you

know what's inside of them and what makes them tick and to be able to articulate to them what matters to you and to help them do the same back. Hi, welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery Podcast. I'm Michael Jervais.

And the idea behind these conversations is to learn from people who are on the path of mastery.

To better understand what they're searching for, how they've organized their life efforts,

the psychological framework that they've built to be able to do difficult and challenging things,

and then the mental skills that they've used to build and refine their craft.

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