You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.

Hello, Paul.

Hello, Robert.

How are you doing today?

Oh, that's what I wanted to share with you, actually.

But first, let me introduce this.

I'm Robert Wright, editor-in-chief of the non-zero newsletters.

This is a non-zero podcast.

You are Paul Bloom, one of the most distinguished psychologists in the 51st state.

Also, proprietor of the falsely modest newsletter, small potatoes,

all to many books, and a regular conversant of mine,

I guess. But Paul, I got to warn you. You know, we've had a lot of fun conversations. I think there may be people who tune in for their frivolity. I got to warn you,

I'm not in a good mood. Really? Here's the backstory. Here's the backstory. So I got an email

from you that you wrote at 345 a.m. I think expressly for the purpose of bragging about your

insomnia. Is that wrong? I said an alarm to wake up so I could email you and brag about my insomnia. Yes. So you're doing this like insomnia macho thing and say, well, I'll try to soldier on, you know, and I may be in a bad mood, but you know, duty calls. Now, I have a question. Did you get back to sleep?

Did you get back to sleep? Like a baby. Like a baby. I got off my email. You know what?

We could actually spend my had really interesting dreams, but we'll put that aside.

Why don't we save that for overtime? It could be explicit content. If I, if the things they say about

your true, your dreams could be something that, that we really should reserve for overtime.

Fair enough. Paying customers only.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Kind of an only fans. Kind of like an auditory only fans, yes.

But did you not get back? Did you like, well, let me just say, I read your email at 4.30 a.m. Did I get back to sleep? No, no. And I wasn't going to bring it up because I'm not into the whole sleep deprivation macho thing, you know? But as long as you brought it up, I'm going to be in a worse mood than you, and I'm just preparing you for that.

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