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Tesla's AI Self-Driving Software Squashed A Mannequin Named Timmy—Should It Remain Legal?

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🗓️ 29 September 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Elon Musk keeps hyping the AI-enabled software, and getting more people to buy it is key to his massive new pay package. But in a recent test, it ignored standard street signs and even a flashing school bus stop sign – squashing mannequin child “Timmy.”


Read the full story on Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2025/09/23/teslas-full-self-driving-software-is-a-mess-should-it-be-legal/

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0:00.0

Hi everyone, I'm Maggie McGrath, senior editor at Forbes.

0:06.9

Elon Musk is promoting Tesla's full self-driving software, and his $1 trillion pay package

0:14.5

depends on people buying the service.

0:17.0

Yet in an exclusive new test, Forbes has uncovered that this FSD technology ignored

0:24.4

standard street signs, including a flashing bus sign. Joining us now is my colleague's senior

0:31.3

editor, Alan Owensman, who was the editor who tested this self-driving software. Alan, thanks

0:36.8

much for being here. Hi, Maggie. Good

0:38.4

to be with you. So you bravely got, I say bravely, because I have not driven in any autonomous

0:44.6

vehicle or rather ridden as a passenger, but you got inside a self-driving Tesla for a test. How did it go?

0:53.8

Well, to call it self-driving, that's the problem.

0:57.0

Self-driving implies full autonomy that the vehicle can do all driving functions on its own.

1:04.0

That was not the case here. This was a test that was provided with the Dawn Project,

1:10.0

which is a program that's trying to raise awareness

1:11.9

about some of the shortcomings of Tesla's technology. This occurred this month where we began

1:18.6

about a 90-minute assessment in suburban Los Angeles, basically, and in and around some

1:25.1

LA neighborhoods. You plug in your address where

1:28.8

you want to go into the system, and the vehicle will just take off. So it does feel like an

1:33.9

autonomous vehicle at first. Tesla now brands the system, full self-driving, parentheses,

1:41.4

supervised. That's a very recent change. So since 2020, when they began offering this,

1:46.5

they just called it full self-driving. They've run into some problems because of that name.

1:52.0

The state of California, the DMV there, is trying to force them to stop using both FSD and

1:59.0

autopilot as commercial product names because they're deceptive.

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