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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Terrence Deacon: How Consciousness Emerges from Entropy Gradients

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

4.6606 Ratings

🗓️ 22 December 2022

⏱️ 184 minutes

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Summary

Terrence Deacon examines the origins of life, consciousness, entropy and sentience, arguing that meaning emerges from symbol grounding in far‑from‑equilibrium processes. He connects mental representations, the language problem, universal grammar and thermodynamics to explain how value and cognition arise.- 00:00:00 - Introduction- 00:03:50 - Overview and autobiography- 00:07:28 - Mental representations- 00:16:37 - Living in a world of symbols- 00:23:11 - Indexical relationships- 00:26:49 - Language problem- 00:29:47 - Molecular binding & covariant relationships- 00:39:45 - Structural information & recursion- 00:44:26 - Chomsky, universal grammar basics- 00:51:19 - Chomsky universals & Turing machines- 01:02:15 - Gödel and ambiguity reduction- 01:10:13 - Reference and meaning- 01:14:59 - Noise and signals- 01:20:08 - Symbol grounding problem- 01:30:06 - Origin of value- 01:37:28 - Life far from equilibrium- 02:14:46 - Homeodynamics & teleodynamics- 02:17:02 - Sentience vs consciousness- 02:39:55 - Epistemology tied to ontology- 02:45:31 - Universal grammar down to chemistry- 02:51:48 - Absence and nothingnessSPONSORS:- Brilliant: 20% off https://brilliant.org/TOE- Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/everything- Masterworks: promo code TOE https://masterworks.com- Uncommon Goods: https://uncommongoods.com/everythingRESOURCES:- New TOE Website (early access to episodes): https://theoriesofeverything.org/- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

So now, so let's talk about the problem of life then. The origins of life has to be a transition in which you use, which the living system is using this process that's self-destructive, to keep the self-destructive processes from being self-destructive. But it has to use them to do this.

0:24.5

How is that even possible? Okay, I just finished editing this podcast. This is one of the most

0:32.2

deep technical talks. The first 20 minutes are difficult to follow and you may wonder where is it going and how

0:38.7

is it related to the topic at hand. What you'll notice that by the end, every tendril from every

0:42.6

argument gets tied together neatly and nicely. So look through the timestamps of what you're

0:46.7

interested in is specific subjects or watch until the end, all of it where it plays out like a

0:51.7

beautiful orchestra or a movie where all the storylines

0:54.8

start to intersect toward the end.

0:57.1

Today we talk about consciousness, why Darwinian evolution is incomplete, and the symbolic

1:01.5

grounding problem, which is another aspect of the hard problem of consciousness, which

1:05.1

I call the hard problem of meaning.

1:07.6

Professor Terence Deakin is a neuroanthropologist who's taught at Harvard for eight years, and is currently a professor at the University of California, Berkeley. He has an extraordinarily philosophical mind. He has studied under Chomsky, Noam Chomsky, even though he has major disagreements with him. And part of his aim is tackling the evolution of human cognition as well as the hard problem of consciousness, which in his view is not so hard.

1:28.3

Terence will be coming on again for a part two, so if you have questions, then do leave them in the comment section because I'll be calling from there.

1:35.3

I, or and my wife, read every single comment.

1:38.3

My name is Kurt Jymungle, and I have a background in mathematical physics, mainly in the theoretical end with unified theories,

1:49.2

and this channel is dedicated to the exploration of the variegated terrain of theories of everything,

1:52.9

from primarily a physics perspective, but as well as exploring the role that consciousness has, to the fundamental laws of nature, provided that those laws are even knowable to us,

1:57.1

and if they're not because of some variants of girdles and completeness theorem, then why? Why does that have any application to physics? If you're interested in hearing more podcasts like this, then do consider going to patreon.com slash kirtjymungle, or you can go to Theoriesof Everything.org and supporting with a contribution of whatever you like. As the only reason that I'm able to do this full time is because of the patrons, so the supporters like yourself, as well as the sponsors. Now speaking of sponsors, there are four, there's rocket money, there's Masterworks, there's Brilliant, and there's Uncommon Goods. The former two, Rocket Money and Masterworks, you'll hear at approximately 20 minutes, and then again at 40 minutes for roughly 60 seconds each, and as for Brilliant, it's also 60 seconds, which is occurring presently.

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