Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

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🗓️ 1 June 2026

⏱️ 123 minutes

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AI Expert Mo Gawdat returns to The Diary Of A CEO to reveal why AGI has already arrived, why 30% of jobs will disappear by 2027, and why the most dangerous thing about AI isn't the technology - it's the people in charge of it. Mo Gawdat is the former Chief Business Officer at Google X, founder of One Billion Happy, and co-founder of Emma.Love. He is a 4x international bestselling author, and his upcoming book ‘Alive: A Human's Guide to Living in the World of AI’, will be released in October 2026. He explains: ◾How AI can give you a 400-point IQ boost, and why most people are wasting it ◾ Why Mo actually wants a machine smarter than all of humanity to take control ◾Why Sam Altman said AI will "likely end humanity", and what he chose to do next ◾Why capitalism breaks when AI replaces the workers who buy the things we make ◾Why AI unemployment could trigger civil unrest before governments are ready for it Chapters 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:06 Why Mo Warned About AI Before Anyone Else 00:05:03 Can AI Be a Net Positive for Humanity? 00:08:33 Massive Job Disruption Worldwide 00:15:05 Will AI Cost Savings Create New Jobs? 00:16:15 What Happens to Blue Collar Jobs? 00:21:57 How 10–15% Job Loss Reshapes Society 00:24:20 How Civil Unrest Could Unfold 00:26:04 Sam Altman's Flip-Flopping on AI 00:32:15 Is Sam Altman Pro-Humanity? 00:33:51 Imagining a Future Where Humanity Is Fine 00:42:01 Will One Superintelligence Rule the World? 00:45:52 If AGI Is Already Here, What Now? 00:48:19 Why Human Lived Experience Still Matters 00:52:33 Why Not Just Hire AGI Instead of People? 00:55:00 Can We Control AI Smarter Than Us? 00:58:42 Could AI Decide to Leave the Server? 00:59:16 The Risk of Models Even Creators Don't Understand 01:04:30 AI Isn't Evil But We Need a Plan 01:08:48 Ads 01:10:50 The Symptoms of AGI by 2030 01:13:59 If the US Stops, Will We Become China's Lapdog? 01:16:22 Should Governments Invest More in AI? 01:17:16 Can an Economy of Entrepreneurs Work? 01:20:36 Do We Need to Join the AI Arms Race? 01:23:31 Will Global Competition Build Better AI? 01:32:23 Ads 01:34:34 Who Will Prioritize Ethical AI? 01:38:21 Whose Economy Works for the Middle Class? 01:41:57 Can Ethical AI Still Be Engaging? 01:46:39 Has This Ever Happened Without Government? 01:52:24 What Absolute Dystopia Looks Like 01:55:35 Are You Optimistic About AI? 01:57:08 Does Happiness Matter More in the AI Age? 02:00:17 The Legacy Mo Gawdat Wants to Leave Enjoyed the episode? Share this link and earn points for every referral - redeem them for exclusive prizes: https://doac-perks.com Follow Mo: Instagram - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/4Hv5OK8 Website - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/GRKeGgO Podcast - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/CgXWNIe You can pre-order Mo’s book, ‘Alive: A Human's Guide to Living in the World of AI’, here: https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/BvCLbtT The Diary Of A CEO: ◼ Join DOAC circle here - https://doaccircle.com/ ◼ Buy The Diary Of A CEO book here - https://smarturl.it/DOACbook ◼ The 1% Diary is back - limited time only: https://bit.ly/3YFbJbt ◼ The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards: https://linkly.link/2io2A ◼ Get email updates - https://bit.ly/diary-of-a-ceo-yt ◼ Follow Steven - https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb Sponsors: Shopify - https://shopify.com/bartlett Function Health - https://Functionhealth.com/DOAC to sign up for $365 a year. One dollar a day for your health Ketone - https://ketone.com/STEVEN for 30% off your subscription order

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0:00.0	One thing I've learned from interviewing a lot of founders and building companies myself is that
0:03.5	trust is the real currency of business. It's the thing that gets customers to buy, partners to say yes,
0:08.5	and investors to back you. But as you grow, trust stops being just a feeling and becomes something
0:13.1	you have to prove. Because the bigger you get, the more exposed you are, customer data,
0:17.4	security expectations, regulations, all of it. And the risk of one small mistake
0:21.1	becomes incredibly significant. And if you've ever tried to scale while keeping on top of all of that,
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0:52.7	We have video evidence of people abusing children and not a single person got arrested.
1:00.2	How can you call that a democracy?
1:02.2	So humanity is at a crossroads, where for the first time ever, we need to wake up and
1:06.6	realize that we're ruled by maniacs.
1:09.2	And what we believe is democracy is not democracy,
1:11.8	and what we know is not the truth. Like companies and governments will blame the geopolitical
1:17.0	and economic challenges we have on AI, but the truth is AI is not the enemy. Like, I'm not
1:22.2	worried about AI turning against us. I'm worried about humans telling AI to turn against us.
1:28.9	Like, when I worked at Google,
1:33.9	we were building amazing things, believing that we were making the world a better place and we were.
1:38.9	But then suddenly there is a moment where you recognize that maybe the world will not use what you're making the way you want it to be used. And sadly, this is upon us. So I have lots of questions. Okay, that's good.
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