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🗓️ 19 February 2020
⏱️ 34 minutes
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In this episode of Intelligence Matters, host Michael Morell speaks with Ben Buchanan, Assistant Teaching Professor at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service and Senior Fellow at the University’s Center for Security Studies. Morell and Buchanan discuss the intersection of technology and statecraft, focusing on the potential effect artificial intelligence-driven technologies may have on the geopolitical dynamics among nations. Buchanan reviews some of the central questions surrounding AI, including how autocratic governments and democratic governments may leverage it and how offensive cyber operations may come to rely on it. Buchanan also shares elements of his forthcoming book, The Hacker and the State.
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0:09.0 | This is Intelligence Matters with former acting director of the CIA, Michael Morrell. |
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0:18.1 | I think one of the things that concerns me the most in the context of a nation like |
0:22.0 | China is how AI can enable authoritarianism. |
0:26.0 | And there's a case to be made that AI will solve or help to solve some of the central |
0:32.0 | problems of authoritarian regimes, namely centralizing power. |
0:35.9 | And if you look at AI as a tool of surveillance, AI as a tool of facial recognition, then I |
0:41.4 | think that works against the interests of democracies. |
0:43.7 | And we need to think quite seriously about how do we combat this and take this technology |
0:48.0 | and use it for democratic purposes. |
0:53.2 | Who has the lead today? |
0:55.7 | United States, China, somebody else, in the use of AI for national security purposes. |
1:01.6 | I think it probably depends on which part of AI you're thinking about. |
1:05.6 | If you look at image recognition, for example, facial recognition, it seems pretty clear |
1:10.7 | that Chinese are ahead in that area. |
1:12.5 | If you're looking about integrating AI into other systems, the US has made some pretty |
1:16.9 | big investments in the last couple years. |
1:18.8 | What about Russia? |
1:19.7 | Are they doing anything in this area that concerns you? |
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