The question is, if we want to make society in a different image, what technologies would be in that society?

It's a different way of approaching it.

Hello. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

I'm your host, Paris Marks.

And before we get to this week's episode, just a quick reminder that t-shirts are now available for those who would want them.

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you can find a link to make an order in the show notes. And if you want to get one of those in the

first batch, you just need to order in the next week or so. This week's guest is Zachary Lope.

Zachary is a PhD candidate at the University of Pennsylvania, whose dissertation is on

Y2K.

That research is really fascinating, you know, looking at the idea that we have of Y2K, and then

what actually happened behind the scenes to avert this kind

of computerized catastrophe around the dates and these systems. We're not talking about that in

the interview today, but I have linked a piece in the show notes if you want to find out more

about Zachary's work on that topic. You might also know Zachary as librarian shipwreck on Twitter,

and also the blog that he runs where he writes about his research and other, you know,

important technology topics. But obviously in recent years, there has been this kind of

resurgence in tech criticism, right, that we've seen since 2015 or 2016, where after a period of techno-optimism, we have been seeing more

and more criticism of these massive tech companies and some of the technologies that they're

putting out into the world. Obviously, this is a really positive development, but criticism

of technology is not a new sort of thing. And so what I'm discussing this week

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