So enough of Guinephaltrow. Let's get into the actual substance of the episode. And one thing that I think we're kind of getting into today is the way that risk and hazard are being sort of made meaningless in the context of a lot of workplaces right now because there's this clash between reopening and what people

feel and perceive as their own safety relative to their work environments. And there's a sort of ongoing

process that we've been talking about a little bit, especially with school reopenings and episodes

like the one that we did on Thursday

in the main feed, where there's a lot of cherry picking that's going on that is gaslighting

people who are working right now in person who feel unsafe and their jobs are at threat

as a result of their questioning it.

Yeah, I was sort of thinking about this.

I got the news from New Zealand this weekend that, like,

Auckland is, is closing down after a single COVID case.

And then looking simultaneously at the American news, it's like,

oh, yeah, these states, despite the now and another increase in numbers,

they're further relaxing restrictions.

And, you know, it, it, I guess sort of brought to light something that I think we've talked about before.

But, you know, came up again this week is just like the way that the causes and the, like, process by which disease spreads gets made increasingly vague and and and sort of increasingly overdetermined in in how people understand it and already you sent me this study from from UK, which I was like absolutely baffled by.

Yeah.

So I think the, I mean, the stuff that B is talking about, the way that we're going to tackle this is through a couple of things talking about.

This study you mentioned, Phil, from the Office of National Statistics in the UK, which I think tries to basically

hand wave away a lot of the risks associated with having different types of occupation. And then through

also, again, talking about stuff like how the three feet versus six feet or if you're if you're not a listener

in the United States like the one meter versus two meter conversation.

So like this this Office of National Statistics paper, for example, which what is the title

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