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This notion of the caring cage, the idea that these are places of healing, they can be places of care.

When we know what lived experience tells us what the evidence shows us, what the body bags show us, is that prison is a disabling, life-maming, and life-taking institution.

The fight against the prison industrial complex is a fight for our lives. It's a fight for living. And when we imagine the breadth of that,

we have a better horizon line than when we focus merely on one aspect. I'm. I'm.

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I'm Beatrice Adler Bolton, and I'm honored today to be joined by our guests, Rachel Herzing,

and Justin Pichet.

They are the co-authors of the book How to Abolish Prisons, Lessons from the Movement Against

Imprisonment, which was recently published this past April by Haymarket Books.

Rachel is an organizer, activist, and advocate fighting the violence of surveillance, policing, and imprisonment.

Rachel has been part of the abolition movement for decades and was executive director of Center for Political Education,

co-founder and co-director of Critical Resistance,

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