Teaser - Everybody Loves School Reopenings w/ Abby Cartus and Justin Feldman (12/28/20)

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🗓️ 29 December 2020

⏱️ 4 minutes

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Subscribe on Patreon and hear the full episode here: www.patreon.com/posts/45532091 (Teaser) The Panel is joined by epidemiologists Abby Cartus and Justin Feldman to discuss why politicians have almost universally pushed to keep schools open during the pandemic, how little we actually know about the potential impact of these decisions, and just how bad the "data" is that self-styled experts like Emily Oster hang their arguments on. Abby Cartus is a PhD in perinatal epidemiology. Justin Feldman is an epidemiologist of social inequality and state violence and a Health & Human Rights Fellow at the FXB Center for Health and Human Rights at Harvard. You can follow him on Twitter @jfeldman_epi Runtime 1:39:30 DP EP 214, 28 December 2020 🧬

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0:00.0	It's being described in media that they're skipping over certain schools that may have higher rates.
0:06.1	And they're not being transparent about their sampling procedures.
0:09.5	And I try to get the data.
0:11.4	It's very, you can't really, it's all there.
0:13.7	You can't really download it.
0:14.9	And you can't get past data.
0:16.4	But we have seen the, the positivity rate go up as the community rates have gotten up.
0:22.2	Like you would obviously assume because we live in a society.
0:29.7	The argument there that they're making the sort of advocates of reopening at any cost is that
0:36.5	infection rates in school just reflect
0:40.1	infection rates in the community, but don't drive infection rates in the community.
0:44.9	That's not how infectious diseases work.
0:47.4	That's nonsense.
0:49.3	Infectious diseases don't just reflect.
0:51.7	They also transmit.
0:53.3	And all of these cases, whether or not they're
0:55.5	at the same rate as a community, all of these cases can go on and infect more people, whether it's
1:01.6	in the school, whether it's somewhere else. Yeah. And what do they mean by reflect? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:06.1	What does the verb reflect their mean?
1:13.5	Can you like, what do they think it means?
1:20.1	It just means that we can't admit that schools are locations where transmission can occur, right?
1:29.8	Like an epidemic is not like a directional process that like radiates away from sites of like high, you know, social and economic value.
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